Michael Nielsen, a scientist and research fellow at the Astera Institute, shares his insights on maintaining optimism amid existential risks in science and technology. He discusses the concept of asymmetric leverage and questions the feasibility of unbiased models in AI. The conversation highlights the evolving role of AI in scientific methods and the ethical implications of military applications. Nielsen also explores the intricacies of human-AI interaction and the importance of crafting a moral framework for a future with advanced AI.
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Childhood Fears
Michael Nielsen's childhood worries included ozone holes, population bombs, and nuclear destruction.
Reading "The Cold and the Dark" as a teenager significantly impacted him emotionally.
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Ingenuity and AI
Human ingenuity shouldn't be underestimated, but it requires taking problems seriously.
AI and ASI are meta-problems, amplifying our capabilities and requiring careful consideration.
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AI and Biological Agents
Kevin Esvelt's research showed that fine-tuning language models can increase their assistance in designing potentially dangerous biological agents.
This highlights the potential for AI to accelerate both positive and negative advancements.
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Engines of creation
The Coming Era of Nanotechnology
Eric Drexler
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The Cold and the Dark
The World after Nuclear War
Carl Sagan
Walter Orr Roberts
Paul Ehrlich
Donald Kennedy
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This is my conversation with Michael Nielsen, scientist, author, and research fellow at the Astera Institute.
Timestamps: - (00:00:00) intro - (00:01:06) cultivating optimism amid existential risks - (00:07:16) asymmetric leverage - (00:12:09) are "unbiased" models even feasible? - (00:18:44) AI and the scientific method - (00:23:23) unlocking AI's full power through better interfaces - (00:30:33) sponsor: Splits - (00:31:18) AIs, independent agents or intelligent tools? - (00:35:47) autonomous military and weapons - (00:42:14) finding alignment - (00:48:28) aiming for specific moral outcomes with AI? - (00:54:42) freedom/progress vs safety - (00:57:46) provable beneficiary surveillance - (01:04:16) psychological costs - (01:12:40) the ingenuity gap
Links: - Michael Nielsen: https://michaelnielsen.org/ - Michael Nielsen on X: https://x.com/michael_nielsen - Michael's essay on being a wise optimist about science and technology: https://michaelnotebook.com/optimism/ - Michael's Blog: https://michaelnotebook.com/ - The Ingenuity Gap (Tad Homer-Dixon): https://homerdixon.com/books/the-ingenuity-gap/
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