The Pat Kenny Show Ukraine peace plan talks “very productive” says Marco Rubio
Dec 1, 2025
Alastair Campbell, former Director of Communications for Tony Blair and co-host of The Rest is Politics, joins the discussion. He and Pat delve into the productive talks regarding Ukraine and the implications of a US financial plan for peace. They critique Trump's transactional foreign policy, exploring its impact on global norms and US credibility. Further, they discuss the challenges Ukraine faces with corruption and credibility, as well as contrasting European perspectives on the conflict, highlighting crucial dynamics at the Florida meeting.
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Peace Talks Entwined With Business Deals
- The Florida talks mixed diplomacy with business ambitions, blurring peace negotiations and commercial interests.
- Alastair Campbell warns the Trump team treats the process partly as a route for American business deals and asset grabs.
28-Point Plan Focused On Money
- The 28-point plan prioritised financial terms and asset allocation over detailed security guarantees.
- Campbell describes elements of the plan as a 'mafia shakedown' focused on profit splits and frozen assets.
Abnormal Presidency Erodes Norms
- Campbell argues the Trump presidency normalises 'abnormal' behaviour internationally by rewarding impunity.
- He links pardons and public posturing to a wider erosion of rule-of-law and international norms.