Greg Shaw, a professor and author renowned for his work on Hellenic Tantra and neoplatonic theurgy, engages in a captivating discussion on the intersection of Greek philosophy and South Asian tantra. He explores the transformative power of rituals, the connection between divinity and existence, and the philosophical implications of dualism. Shaw contrasts the roles of theurgists and magicians while delving into concepts like the power of mantras, astrology, and the importance of experiential spiritual knowledge for true enlightenment.
Professor Gregory Shaw explores the connections between Hellenic thought and South Asian tantric traditions, emphasizing their shared ideals of embodied enlightenment.
The discussion highlights the significance of aesthetics in theurgical practices, illustrating how environment and art can evoke divine presence.
Shaw distinguishes between theurgists and magicians, stressing the importance of humility in spiritual practices to avoid ego-driven self-destruction.
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Interview with Professor Gregory Shaw
The episode features a conversation with Professor Gregory Shaw, who discusses his latest book, 'Hellenic Tantra: The Theurgic Platonism of Iamblichus'. Shaw reflects on how his previous explorations of Mediterranean philosophy and religion led him to appreciate the connections between Hellenic thought and South Asian tantric traditions. His interest was sparked by a negative comment from a reader who dismissed his work as mere 'Hellenic Tantra', which prompted him to embrace this intriguing title. This book is positioned as a continuation of Shaw's earlier work, 'Theurgy and the Soul', and aims to present a deeper understanding of the mystical practices associated with Iamblichus.
Non-Dualism and Theurgy
Shaw emphasizes the importance of non-dualism in understanding theurgy, arguing against prevalent dualist interpretations that view it as an escape from the material world. He posits that Iamblichus saw the divine presence as manifest in our embodied experience, challenging the notion that the goal of existence is to transcend this life. This framework suggests that deification can occur within our current reality, where sacred symbols and invitations to divinity exist. By recognizing that divine presence permeates the material world, scholars can better grasp the true essence of theurgical practice.
The Nature of the Divine
The conversation explores how perceptions of the gods have traditionally been confined to the heavens, prompting a misinterpretation of their role in our lives. Shaw references James Hillman and his concepts of the polytheism of the soul, suggesting that gods are intertwined with our everyday experiences. Theurgic practices, according to Shaw, enable individuals to awaken the divine within, as the gods are inherently present in our existence. This reframing encourages a relationship with the divine that is grounded in the physicality of life, rather than in abstract separations.
The Role of Aesthetics in Theurgy
Shaw emphasizes the significance of aesthetics in theurgical practices, noting that the environment can evoke divine presence and enhance spiritual experiences. He discusses how certain musical compositions and images can create a receptive space for awakening deeper realizations. The aesthetic aspect automatically aligns individuals with the energies they seek to engage, facilitating a connection to the divine. Shaw views the sourcing of inspiration from one's surroundings and community as crucial for engaging effectively in theurgical work.
Theurgical Rituals and Symbolism
The episode underscores the importance of rituals and symbols within theurgical practices, highlighting how these elements serve to mediate divine connection. Shaw points out that it is not the intellectual understanding of the symbols that matters, but rather the participation in rituals that evokes their power. The recitation of divine names, or mantras, is presented as a means of entering a non-conceptual space of experience, facilitating a deeper engagement with the divine. This reinforces the idea that theurgy relies on acting out these symbols rather than solely understanding them intellectually.
Differentiating Theurgists and Magicians
A key theme in the discussion is the distinction between theurgists and magicians, where theurgists engage with the divine from a place of humility and receptivity, whereas magicians often seek control and personal power. Shaw illustrates that the theurgist becomes a vessel for divine energies, while the magician attempts to command those energies for selfish gain, ultimately leading to self-destruction. This raises questions about the ethical dimensions of spiritual practice and the consequences of approaching the divine with an ego-driven mindset. The dialogue emphasizes the need for self-awareness and humility in one's spiritual journey.
In this episode we welcome back Professor Greg Shaw to discuss his new book "Hellenic Tantra".
This was a truly fascinating conversation which explored the ideas of embodied enlightenment from the perspective of the neoplationic theurgists and compared the practices with parallel tantric traditions.
