Tech and media companies (including the one that brings you this podcast) are laying off workers left and right. Meanwhile, the latest national jobs report is shockingly strong. So… why? Do the excuses make any sense?

First, Recode’s Peter Kafka talks to Vox’s Emily Stewart about the overall economy, the likelihood of a recession, and when we’d actually know if one is happening. Then, New York Times correspondent Mike Isaac is back to dive into the specifics of the tech sector.

Featuring: Emily Stewart (@EmilyStewartM), Business reporter for Vox.com

Mike Isaac (@mikeisaac), New York Times tech reporter

Host: Peter Kafka (@pkafka), Senior Editor at Recode

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