Chris Morrison and Jane Secker (copyrightliteracy.org) speak to intellectual property expert Prof Asuncion Esteve Pardo from the University of Barcelona about her copyright history, her work in open access and share some musical banter and discussions about cake. Asun gives us some of the background to her successful January 2022 seminar at Queen Mary University which you can watch at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnF_bM3OYFw. She also tells us about her copyright heroes who include Prof Artur-Axel Wandtke (https://wandtke.rewi.hu-berlin.de/), Prof Gerhard Schricker (https://www.ip.mpg.de/en/persons/prof-dr-dr-hc-mult-gerhard-schricker.html) and Prof Adolf Deitz (https://www.ip.mpg.de/en/persons/dietz-adolf.html)