Two seasoned dealmakers, business builders, and friends of over twenty-five years sit down to have a frank discussion about the evolution of business, law, culture, and management. David Stiepleman, Co-Founder and Co-President of global investment firm Sixth Street, and Michael Gerstenzang, Managing Partner of global law firm Cleary Gottlieb, discuss the art of commercialism, the best ways to get buy-in from high-achieving groups, and the potential for generative AI to upend how lawyers advise clients, just as the iPhone did. David and Michael first met in the late 90s and have been working together in various capacities ever since. Find out all they’ve learned together on this special episode of It’s Not Magic.

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