We’re living in a time where a large portion of the population can only dream of owning their own house or land due to increasing prices and stagnant wages, but alas, something called “virtual” real estate is a hot new market, raking in billions of dollars in sales in the last year alone.

But why would anyone want to own virtual real estate and who are the driving forces behind it’s sudden popularity? To help us explore this topic, we’re joined by Jathan Sadowski, Senior Fellow at the Emerging Technology Lab of Monash University and host of the This Machine Kills podcast.

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