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Musa al-Gharbi on Elite Wokeness, Islam, and Social Movements

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Oct 16, 2024

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Musa al-Gharbi

Musa al-Gharbi, a sociologist and assistant professor at Stony Brook University, discusses the cultural contradictions of wokeness in his book, "We Have Never Been Woke." He delves into why elite activism ebbs and flows, touching on psychological factors and the unique identity of Black Muslims in America. Musa reflects on his journey from Catholicism to Islam and highlights contributions from Islamic scholars to social science. He also explores the complexities of Muslim immigration in Europe and the dynamics of social movements today.

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Wokeness Decline

"Wokeness" among elites seems to decline after peaking around 2021.
Elite overproduction and economic hardship fuel these "awakenings".

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Awakening Dynamics

Two factors predict "awakenings": elite overproduction and aligned hardship for elites and non-elites.
These "awakenings" fizzle out due to unstable alliances and differing communication styles.

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Alternative Awakening Theory

Social media and media landscape changes do not fully explain "awakenings".
Similar episodes occurred before these factors existed, suggesting other underlying causes.

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Exploring Black Muslim Identity in America

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From Disillusionment to Faith

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Contributions of Islamic Scholars to Social Science

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Political Islam and Modernity: A Nuanced Exploration

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Exploring Knowledge Economy Dynamics and Future Projects

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Musa al-Gharbi is a sociologist and assistant professor at Stony Brook University whose research explores how people think about, talk about, and produce shared knowledge about race, inequality, social movements, extremism, policing, and other social phenomena. His new book, We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of a New Elite, examines the rise and fall of wokeness among America’s elites and explores the underlying social forces at play.

Tyler and Musa explore the rise and fall of the "Great Awokening" and more, including how elite overproduction fuels social movements, why wokeness tends to fizzle out, whether future waves of wokeness will ratchet up in intensity, why neuroticism seems to be higher on the political Left, how a great awokening would manifest in a Muslim society, Black Muslims and the Nation of Islam, why Musa left Catholicism, who the greatest sociologist of Islam is, Muslim immigration and assimilation in Europe, and more.

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Recorded September 19th, 2024.

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