Apologetics 315 Podcast 140 - Beauty & Love with Paul Gould
May 21, 2024
48:13
In this episode, Brian Auten & Chad Gross engage with philosopher Paul Gould to discuss the profound connection between beauty, love, theism. They delve into why beauty is more likely on theism than naturalism and explore various philosophical perspectives on love and the recognition of beauty.
Topics Covered:
1. Introduction to the Topic of Beauty:
- Beauty in Theism vs. Naturalism:
- Gould explains why beauty is more likely on theism than naturalism.
- Discussion on the analogy between human artistic creativity and the universe's beauty.
- The improbability of a universe saturated with beauty under naturalism's unguided, blind forces.
2. Philosophical Arguments and Analogies:
- Human Artistic Creativity:
- Creating beautiful art requires skill and intention, paralleling the idea of a divine artist behind the universe.
- Entropy and Beauty:
- Examination of why beauty persists despite the laws of entropy and randomness under naturalism.
3. Exploring the Nature of Love:
- Defining Love:
- Gould outlines five features of love:
1. Multi-directed
2. Complex
3. Deep and Enduring
4. Active and Passive
5. Valuable
- Discussion on how contemporary philosophical views often fail to capture these features fully.
- Aquinas's wisdom on love as a comprehensive framework.
4. Beauty as a Properly Basic Belief:
- Plantinga's Concept of Properly Basic Beliefs:
- Inquiry into whether the recognition of beauty can be considered a properly basic belief, not needing argumentation to be justified.
- Experiences of Beauty:
- Distinctions between judgments of beauty, experiences of beauty, beautiful things, and beauty itself.
- The Christian story's integration of beauty, truth, and goodness, particularly through the narrative of the cross.
5. Listener Questions and Practical Insights:
- Interacting with Listener Inquiries:
- Addressing questions about the recognition and judgment of beauty.
- Discussion on the practical implications of philosophical views on love and beauty.
Key Quotes:
- Paul Gould on Beauty and Naturalism:
"If naturalism is true, and the universe is just the result of unguided, blind forces, you would not expect beauty to saturate the world. By analogy, just as beauty is very hard for human artists, it's surprising for it to saturate the world without a divine artist."
- **Brian Auten on the Christian Story:**
"The cross being the God of the universe, sacrificing himself for sinners to save them, even when they hate him, is the most beautiful story there is. It brings tears to your eyes because it's beautiful."
- Paul Gould on Love:
"Love is multi-directed, complex, deep and enduring, active and passive, and valuable. We need an account of love that captures all these features."
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Topics Covered:
1. Introduction to the Topic of Beauty:
- Beauty in Theism vs. Naturalism:
- Gould explains why beauty is more likely on theism than naturalism.
- Discussion on the analogy between human artistic creativity and the universe's beauty.
- The improbability of a universe saturated with beauty under naturalism's unguided, blind forces.
2. Philosophical Arguments and Analogies:
- Human Artistic Creativity:
- Creating beautiful art requires skill and intention, paralleling the idea of a divine artist behind the universe.
- Entropy and Beauty:
- Examination of why beauty persists despite the laws of entropy and randomness under naturalism.
3. Exploring the Nature of Love:
- Defining Love:
- Gould outlines five features of love:
1. Multi-directed
2. Complex
3. Deep and Enduring
4. Active and Passive
5. Valuable
- Discussion on how contemporary philosophical views often fail to capture these features fully.
- Aquinas's wisdom on love as a comprehensive framework.
4. Beauty as a Properly Basic Belief:
- Plantinga's Concept of Properly Basic Beliefs:
- Inquiry into whether the recognition of beauty can be considered a properly basic belief, not needing argumentation to be justified.
- Experiences of Beauty:
- Distinctions between judgments of beauty, experiences of beauty, beautiful things, and beauty itself.
- The Christian story's integration of beauty, truth, and goodness, particularly through the narrative of the cross.
5. Listener Questions and Practical Insights:
- Interacting with Listener Inquiries:
- Addressing questions about the recognition and judgment of beauty.
- Discussion on the practical implications of philosophical views on love and beauty.
Key Quotes:
- Paul Gould on Beauty and Naturalism:
"If naturalism is true, and the universe is just the result of unguided, blind forces, you would not expect beauty to saturate the world. By analogy, just as beauty is very hard for human artists, it's surprising for it to saturate the world without a divine artist."
- **Brian Auten on the Christian Story:**
"The cross being the God of the universe, sacrificing himself for sinners to save them, even when they hate him, is the most beautiful story there is. It brings tears to your eyes because it's beautiful."
- Paul Gould on Love:
"Love is multi-directed, complex, deep and enduring, active and passive, and valuable. We need an account of love that captures all these features."
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We appreciate your feedback.
If you’re on TWITTER, you can follow Chad @TBapologetics.
You can follow Brian @TheBrianAuten
And of course, you can follow @Apologetics315
If you have a question or comment for the podcast, record it and send it our way using www.speakpipe.com/Apologetics315 or you can email us at podcast@apologetics315.com