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The New Yorker Radio Hour

Atul Gawande on Elon Musk’s “Surgery with a Chainsaw”

Mar 14, 2025
Atul Gawande, a prominent surgeon and public health expert, dives deep into the repercussions of Elon Musk's controversial remarks about U.S.A.I.D. The conversation highlights the vital role of soft power in global health initiatives, particularly how funding cuts can jeopardize lives in conflict zones. Gawande reflects on the efficiency and impact of American foreign aid, admonishing the shift towards a more power-centric worldview. He also touches on vaccine confidence, linking it to historical hesitancy, and discusses ethical considerations in surgical practices.
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  • USAID has been instrumental in saving millions of lives through global health initiatives, yet recent cuts threaten its operational capacity and effectiveness.
  • The retreat of U.S. foreign aid undermines soft power, potentially destabilizing international relationships and shifting global alliances away from American influence.

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Impact of U.S. Foreign Aid Programs

U.S. foreign aid programs, particularly through USAID, have significantly contributed to global health and well-being, saving over 1.2 million lives after COVID-19 alone. These efforts focused on addressing critical health issues such as HIV, malaria, and tuberculosis by strengthening health systems in various countries. The work of USAID included collaboration with thousands of health professionals across the globe, demonstrating the importance and effectiveness of soft power in international relations. However, recent cuts and criticisms have threatened the continuation of these life-saving programs and created fear about future impacts on global health.

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