Ravi kicks off the episode with a blistering critique of the Trump administration’s trade policy chaos, highlighting the economic contradictions, recession risks, and growing corruption tied to foreign investments and crypto schemes. He also addresses the new reports on Senator John Fetterman’s health and why it’s time for leaders to respond to questions about his ability to serve.

Ravi then shifts gears to sit down with former U.S. Secretary of Education and current SUNY Chancellor John King for a wide-ranging conversation on public education in America and John’s new book, Teacher by Teacher. John reflects on how his childhood shaped his passion for education and what he’s learned from serving as a teacher, principal, school founder, policy leader, cabinet member under President Obama, and now as the head of the country’s largest state university system. They discuss what’s gone wrong in education reform, what still works, and why public schools remain worth fighting for.

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