In the second episode, Hank speaks with two leading experts on US-China relations, Ely Ratner and Evan Feigenbaum. They discuss a current framework for the US-China relationship, how the US can properly balance national security with economic progress, and where the US can achieve positive results while navigating a number of important conflicts with China. Ely Ratner: cnas.org/people/ely-ratner Ely's books: https://amzn.to/2Ss2BVh Evan A. Feigenbaum: carnegieendowment.org/experts/719 Evan's book "China's Techno-Warriors:" https://amzn.to/3cZV1uk