Former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni on Israel’s view of the war in Gaza
May 13, 2024
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Former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni and former Palestinian Authority foreign minister Nasser al-Kidwa discuss perspectives on the war in Gaza. Topics include ceasefire prospects, governance in Gaza post-war, and Israel's stance on the two-state solution. Also, insights on Xi Jinping's Europe visit, Biden administration's approach to the Gaza crisis, and historical roots of American anti-liberalism with Robert Kagan.
Potential ceasefire in Gaza is uncertain due to Israeli military actions against Hamas in Rafa.
Need for a post-Hamas governance plan in Gaza involving the Palestinian Authority and Arab states.
Deep dives
Israel's Operations Against Hamas and Potential Ceasefire
President Biden threatens to halt arm shipments to Israel in response to their operations against Hamas in Rafa. The discussion revolves around the prospects for a ceasefire, addressing questions on the necessity of a major ground incursion in Rafa and the goals of eradicating Hamas. The need for a replacement for Hamas in Gaza is highlighted, emphasizing the importance of a long-term plan and potential cooperation with the Palestinian Authority and Arab states like Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
The Future Leadership in Gaza and Views on Palestinian Authority
The conversation focuses on the future leadership in Gaza post-Hamas, with discussions on potential replacements and security concerns. The Palestinian Authority emerges as a likely candidate for governance, albeit with needed reforms. There is a push for an empowered Palestinian government capable of rebuilding Gaza, preparing for elections, and ensuring financial assistance from donors for reconstruction efforts.
Xi Jinping's European Visit and Strategic Goals
Xi Jinping's recent visit to Europe is analyzed in the context of China's strategic goals and diplomatic relations. The trip aimed to mend ties with Europe amid criticism over various global issues. The discussion highlights Xi's efforts to portray China as a reliable partner while navigating challenges posed by issues like Russia's invasion of Ukraine and human rights concerns.
Robert Kagan's Perspective on American Politics and Trump's Influence
Robert Kagan delves into the historical roots of anti-liberalism and its impact on American politics, particularly during Trump's presidency. He discusses the resistance to universal rights and the potential consequences of Trump's authoritarian tendencies. Kagan suggests that Trump's support base represents a shrinking white nationalist minority, presenting a critical moment in American history.
Today on the show, former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni joins to discuss the way that the war in Gaza is being received in Israel, and the prospects for a ceasefire.
Then, former Palestinian Authority foreign minister Nasser al-Kidwa discusses the state of the Israel-Hamas war, and who should govern Gaza after it ends.
Next, Susan Shirk, founding chair of the 21st Century China Foundation, joins the show to discuss Xi Jinping’s recent trip to Europe and China’s foreign policy strategy.
Finally, historian and author Robert Kagan comes on the show to discuss his new book, in which he argues that Trump’s brand of anti-liberalism has strong historical roots.
GUESTS: Tzipi Livni (@Tzipi_Livni), Nasser al-Kidwa, Susan Shirk (@SusanShirk1), Robert Kagan