A POPULAR DEBATE format episode EXCLUSIVE TO SUBSCRIBERS at Patreon.com/ThePopularPod. Paolo Gerbaudo (The Great Recoil: Politics after Populism and Pandemic) and Elena Louisa Lange (Value Without Fetish) get into a heated argument over whether populism and COVID-19 have opened the possibility of neoliberalism being transcended, or instead merely revived and expanded its exploitative power.