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The art of the deal: Malcolm Turnbull on Donald Trump

Oct 21, 2024

Malcolm Turnbull, former Prime Minister of Australia, shares his intriguing experience with Donald Trump during a tense phone call that left Trump furious. He emphasizes the necessity of honesty in diplomacy and standing firm against Trump's bullying tactics. Turnbull discusses how Anthony Albanese could navigate a potential second Trump term, impacting Australia's national security and economic interests. He critiques the importance of sovereignty in international deals and reflects on the evolving dynamics of leadership between Australia and the U.S.

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Malcolm Turnbull stresses the importance of standing firm in negotiations with Donald Trump to prevent further bullying and uphold commitments.

Turnbull advises future leaders to engage Trump with economically-driven discussions that align with his self-interests to achieve successful outcomes.

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Confronting Trump: A Strategic Approach

Malcolm Turnbull emphasizes the necessity of standing firm when dealing with Donald Trump, illustrated by their first conversation that ended in a heated exchange regarding a resettlement deal for asylum seekers. Despite Trump's fury over the deal, Turnbull maintained that it was essential for the U.S. to honor commitments made by previous administrations, arguing that backing down would lead to more bullying. He likens the situation to a new CEO neglecting deals made by their predecessor, stating that America's credibility should rely on keeping its word. Turnbull's unwavering stance demonstrated the importance of resilience in negotiations with a leader who responds poorly to perceived weakness.

Intro

4min

Navigating Power Dynamics in Negotiations with Trump

3min

Navigating Deal-making and Security in a Trump Presidency

5min

Navigating International Deals and Populist Politics

2min

Navigating Leadership with Donald Trump's Unique Dynamics

2min

When Malcolm Turnbull was prime minister, he made a call that made the then president of the United States very, very angry.

Donald Trump called it the “worst call he’d had all day” – a “killer”, “crazy” and “disgusting”.

But Turnbull argues that standing up to Trump, even if it means saying things he doesn’t want to hear, is the only effective way to deal with him.

Now, as Australia faces the prospect of a second Trump term, Turnbull says Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s willingness to face off with the president could make the difference on everything from the economy to our national security.

Today, former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull on how he forged a relationship with Donald Trump and what Anthony Albanese needs to know if Trump wins again.

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Guest: Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull

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