The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie

What Happened to the Republican Party?

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Oct 22, 2025
Jeff Flake, former U.S. senator from Arizona and U.S. ambassador to Turkey, shares insights on the Republican Party's transformation under Trump. He reflects on his principled stand against political degradation and the costs of compromise. Discussing immigration, Flake argues for expansion of legal pathways, linking anti-immigrant sentiment with protectionism. He emphasizes the need for political reforms to improve governance and warns of rising national debt. Flake's journey includes efforts in foreign diplomacy and hopes for a more engaged, responsible political culture.
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ANECDOTE

Choosing Principle Over Power

  • Jeff Flake refused to run for reelection rather than compromise his principles for Trump-era politics.
  • He prioritized sleeping at night and facing his children over political survival.
INSIGHT

Grievance Wins Elections But Not Governance

  • Flake believes the Republican fever for grievance politics will break because anger isn't a governing philosophy.
  • He argues governing requires more than winning elections and grievance can't sustain long-term governance.
ANECDOTE

Going To A Mosque After The 'Muslim Ban'

  • Flake visited a mosque with his family after Trump called for a 'Muslim ban' and spoke about shared values between Mormons and Muslims.
  • He framed the ban as a threat to religious freedom and to other persecuted groups like Mormons.
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