In this discussion, Cristina Rodríguez, a Yale Law professor and co-chair of the Supreme Court Commission, teams up with Rod D. Martin, a political commentator and former advisor. They dissect the profound implications of birthright citizenship, rooted in the 14th Amendment. Key topics include the historical context of landmark cases like Wong Kim Ark, and the ongoing legal battles over children's citizenship rights amidst ever-evolving immigration policies. Their debate highlights the urgent need for a nuanced conversation around these critical issues.
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14th Amendment Citizenship Scope
The 14th Amendment grants citizenship to all born in the U.S., regardless of parents' nationality or status.
Exceptions are narrow: children of diplomats, hostile occupiers, and Native Americans at that time.
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Legal Exceptions to Birthright Citizenship
The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excludes children of diplomats and hostile occupying forces from citizenship.
This shows the constitutional framework differentiates these cases from unauthorized immigrants.
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Jurisdiction Applies to Unauthorized Immigrants
Unauthorized immigrants are subject to U.S. jurisdiction as they follow its laws and can be deported.
Thus, their children born here should be citizens under current legal interpretations.
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Earlier this year, President Trump signed an executive order aimed at ending birthright citizenship. He has placed this issue at the forefront of his immigration agenda and it is now being taken up by the Supreme Court. To have this conversation, we’ve brought together a constitutional law scholar and a political commentator.
Cristina Rodríguez is the Leighton Homer Surbeck Professor of Law at Yale Law School. In 2021, she was appointed by President Biden to co-chair the Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States. Her recent book is called The President and Immigration Law. She’s also the co-host of the new podcast: Unsettled: Immigration in Turbulent Times.
Rod D. Martin writes The Rod Martin Report on Substack. He is also the Founder and CEO of Martin Capital. As a tech entrepreneur and venture capitalist, Rod was previously an advisor to Peter Thiel. Rod also served as policy director to Mike Huckabee, the former Governor of Arkansas.
We talk a lot about the 14th Amendment in this episode. It was ratified in 1868 to give formerly enslaved people the right to vote. Here’s what it says: “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” Keep that phrase in mind. “Subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” It’ll come up a lot.
Our guests also discuss the Supreme Court cases Elk v Wilkins, Slaughterhouse, and Wong Kim Ark. All you need to know for this episode is: those rulings influenced the interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Last note, this episode is moderated by co-host and co-founder, Catherine Cushenberry.
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