The Pastorate Podcast David Kinnaman & Mark Sayers: Where God Might Want To Take Us Next
What does the future of the Church look like—and how should we lead in a culture that’s rapidly changing?
This week, Jason is joined by David Kinnaman (Barna) and Mark Sayers (Red Church) for a timely and data-driven conversation about young adults, church trends, and the kind of leadership the next generation needs. Drawing from Barna’s Connected Generation research, they explore how the pandemic accelerated spiritual shifts—and why the Church’s call to deep discipleship is more urgent than ever.
David & Mark share about:
Key insights from Barna’s research on Canadian Gen Z and Millennials
Why many who left the Church during the pandemic were already on the edge
The rise of resilient disciples and what makes them unique
How the Church can move from surface engagement to deep formation
The future of leadership: humble, courageous, and Spirit-dependent
This episode is a sober yet hope-filled invitation to lean into what God is doing in the refining of His Church—and to shepherd a generation hungry for depth, purpose, and the presence of Jesus.
Biographies
David Kinnaman is the author of the bestselling books Faith For Exiles, Good Faith, You Lost Me and unChristian. He is president of Barna Group, a leading research and communications company that works with churches, nonprofits, and businesses ranging from film studios to financial services. Since 1995, David has directed interviews with more than two million individuals and overseen thousands of U.S. and global research studies. He lives in California with his three children.
Mark Sayers is the senior leader of Red Church in Melbourne, Australia. He is passionate about spiritual renewal and the future of the church. Mark is the author of a number of books including Strange Days and Reappearing Church. Mark lives in Melbourne with his wife, Trudi, his daughter, Grace, and twin boys, Hudson and Billy.
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