Charlie Araujo is a successful business leader and author – his book ‘the Quantum Age of IT’ raised a number of issues and questions about the whole technology industry – i.e. the traditional IT organisation is dead, we are entering a new ‘retail’ phase in our evolution. We discuss that and the outcomes that have happened since it was published nearly a decade ago. Our industry has changed and has had to – what has this meant for IT people and practitioners? We discuss the business side of this development, as well as touching on low code, citizen developers, IT democratisation, and hybrid IT organisations. An excellent discussion, followed by some refreshment at the podcast bar…