The OCD Whisperer Podcast with Kristina Orlova 131. Buddhism and OCD: How to Stop Obsessive Thoughts Using Mindfulness
Imagine struggling with intrusive thoughts that feel unbearable, unshakable, and all-consuming. You try to fight them, suppress them, or rationalize them away, only to find that they persist, growing stronger with every attempt to resist. But what if the key to managing OCD wasn’t in pushing these thoughts away, but rather in changing your relationship with them?
In this thought-provoking episode of The OCD Whisperer Podcast, host Kristina Orlova, LMFT, welcomes Naomi Matlow, a writer, educator, and OCD advocate, to explore how Buddhist psychology offers a fresh perspective on OCD management. Naomi, the author of A Thought is Just a Thought: A Buddhist Guide to OCD, shares how ancient Buddhist teachings on mindfulness, suffering, and attachment can help individuals with OCD develop a new understanding of intrusive thoughts.
Together, Kristina and Naomi dive deep into the nature of suffering, the role of acceptance, and practical techniques for navigating intrusive thoughts without letting them define you. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to integrate mindfulness-based approaches into their OCD recovery journey.
In This Episode
[00:00:00] Introduction to the episode
[00:01:04] Naomi’s background and inspiration for writing her book
[00:02:33] Understanding OCD through a Buddhist lens
[00:04:03] How thoughts are like sensory perceptions
[00:05:41] The Western tendency to over-identify with thoughts
[00:07:12] The challenge of accepting intrusive thoughts
[00:09:56] Clinging, aversion, and the roots of suffering in OCD
[00:11:20] The Four Noble Truths and how they relate to OCD
[00:13:20] The role of desire and resistance in maintaining suffering
[00:16:29] Practical steps to cultivate acceptance and detachment
[00:18:35] Shifting focus from thoughts to sensory experiences
[00:20:45] Meditation techniques for intrusive thoughts
[00:22:14] How to connect with Naomi
[00:22:54] Closing remarks
- [00:13:00] "An OCD thought is a thought you are not willing to have." – Naomi Matlow
- [00:07:12] "We tend to put so much weight on the content of our thoughts, but thoughts are just another form of perception—like smelling something bad in the fridge. They don’t define who we are." – Naomi Matlow
- [00:11:20] "Clinging to positive experiences or pushing away negative ones only deepens suffering. Acceptance isn’t about approval—it’s about allowing reality to be what it is." – Naomi Matlow
- [00:25:00] "The body is always in the present moment, but the mind is often stuck in the past or worried about the future. That’s why grounding in the senses can be so powerful." – Naomi Matlow
Naomi Matlow is a writer, educator, and OCD advocate based in Southern California. In 2024, she published her creative thesis from Lesley University's Mindfulness Studies Master’s program, which evolved into A Thought is Just a Thought: A Buddhist Guide to OCD. Naomi’s work integrates Buddhist philosophy, mindfulness, and evidence-based OCD treatment approaches to help individuals develop a healthier relationship with their thoughts.
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Mentioned in This Episode:
A Thought is Just a Thought: A Buddhist Guide to OCD by Naomi Matlow
ICBT with Kristina Orlova and Christina Ennabe
Sneaky Rituals with Jenna Overbaugh
Please note while our host is a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in OCD and anxiety disorders in the state of California, this podcast is for educational purposes only and should not be considered a substitute for therapy.
Stay tuned for biweekly episodes filled with valuable insights and tips for managing OCD and anxiety. And remember, keep going in the meantime. See you in the next episode!