Where "Effective Altruism" and "Longtermism" Go Wrong (w/ Émile Torres)
Nov 15, 2023
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Émile Torres, an intellectual historian, criticizes the ideologies of effective altruism and longtermism for their dystopian tendencies. He discusses how these ideologies neglect to address systems of power, colonialism, and capitalism. The podcast explores the principles of effective altruism, the concept of long-termism and its implications, and the potential negative consequences of these ideologies. It also delves into the ethical implications of non-birth, maximizing well-being, and intergenerational justice.
Effective altruism emphasizes voluntary charity over redistributing political power, appealing to plutocrats but neglecting systemic issues like colonialism and capitalism.
Long-termism prioritizes the future and potential benefits, but risks devaluing current problems, democracy, and social issues.
Deep dives
The Philosophy of Effective Altruism
Effective altruism is a philosophy that promotes the idea of doing the most good possible. It combines the concepts of effectiveness and altruism, advocating for the allocation of resources to where they can have the greatest positive impact. Peter Singer's influential argument on effective altruism focuses on the moral obligation to help others, regardless of their proximity. He argues that if we are willing to save a drowning child nearby, we should also extend our help to those suffering in distant parts of the world. This philosophy also emphasizes the importance of choosing the most effective charities and interventions to achieve the greatest positive outcomes.
The Rise of Long-Termism
Long-termism is a perspective that calls for considering the long-term future and the potential impacts of present actions on the well-being of future generations. It argues that the future holds immense value due to the potential for a significantly larger population over time. Proponents of long-termism, such as Nick Bostrom, suggest that focusing on the far future can bring about the most positive change. They believe that by prioritizing actions and technologies that benefit the future, such as space colonization or developing advanced artificial intelligence, we can maximize overall well-being. However, critics express concerns about the devaluation of current problems and the potential ethical implications and disregard for democratic decision-making.
Controversial Conclusions and Ethical Dilemmas
The effective altruism and long-termism movements have been met with criticism and controversy due to their logical implications and the conclusions they reach. Effective altruism's embrace of utilitarianism and its focus on maximizing overall well-being can lead to counterintuitive and unsettling conclusions. These include arguments that prioritize earning to give, even in morally objectionable professions, and controversial claims that debatable actions like supporting sweatshop labor or even violence may be justified in pursuit of future benefits. Additionally, the transhumanist aspect of long-termism raises concerns about potential eugenicist undertones, a disregard for democracy, and a devaluation of current social issues in favor of an uncertain future.
The Influence and Significance of These Movements
Both effective altruism and long-termism have gained significant influence and financial backing, raising important ethical and practical questions. The effective altruism movement, supported by billions of dollars, aims to maximize the positive impact of charitable giving through evidence-based decision-making. In contrast, long-termism has made inroads in the tech industry and world governments, advocating for actions and technologies that shape a better future. Critics argue that the ideologies behind these movements overlook important social and systemic factors, ignore the origins of global problems, and risk leading to extreme, potentially harmful actions. Understanding and critically engaging with these movements is essential as they shape discourse and policy around altruism, ethics, and political decision-making.
Émile P. Torres is an intellectual historian who has recently become a prominent public critic of the ideologies of "effective altruism" and "longtermism," each of which is highly influential in Silicon Valley and which Émile argues contain worrying dystopian tendencies. In this conversation, Émile joins to explain what these ideas are, why the people who subscribe to them think they can change the world in very positive ways, and why Émile has come to be so strongly critical of them. Émile discusses why philosophies that emphasize voluntary charity over redistributing political power have such appeal to plutocrats, and the danger of ideologies that promise "astronomical future value" to rationalize morally dubious near-term actions.
"A lot this is about working within systems. There's really no serious though within EA, at least that I've seen, about the origins of a lot of problems around the world, those origins being in systems of power, structures that have [caused] individuals in the Global South to end up destitute. There's no discussion of the legacies of colonialism... It's pretty appalling the extent to which these other considerations about colonialism, capitalism, [etc.] are just not even on the radar of a lot of EAs." — Émile Torres