Intelligence Squared

Greece vs Rome, with Boris Johnson and Mary Beard

Mar 19, 2023

Boris Johnson, former Mayor of London and classicist, joins Mary Beard, a distinguished Lecturer in Classical Archaeology, for a lively debate on Greece and Rome. They discuss the profound influence of Greek democracy and literature, while contrasting it with Roman civic inclusivity and governance. Humorous insights, including a letter from a 3rd-century AD prostitute, add levity as they explore themes of love, philosophy, and identity. The discussion culminates in a surprising vote favoring Rome, showcasing enduring legacies that shape modern society.

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Mary Beard

Boris Johnson

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Episode notes

Intro

2min

The Legacy of Greek Thought and Democracy

23min

Preserving Greek Heritage

4min

Roman Realism vs. Greek Ideals

18min

A Humorous Take on Love and Academia in Ancient Times

3min

Civic Inclusivity: Rome vs. Athens

7min

A Spirited Debate: Greece vs Rome

6min

In 2015, Intelligence Squared staged the ultimate clash of civilisations: Greece vs Rome. Boris Johnson, at that time Mayor of London and ardent classicist, made the case for Greece; while Mary Beard, today Lecturer in Classical Archaeology at the University of Sheffield and known for her extensive career as a broadcaster and writer, championed Rome. As we revisit this archive debate held in the pre-Brexit, pre-pandemic era, it's fascinating to observe how history would soon be shaped by some of the figures on stage and whose actions are the subject of much divisive debate today. Our host for the event was the journalist and broadcaster, Andrew Marr.

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