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How Mark Rutte is trying to save NATO

Apr 4, 2025
10:45

As NATO foreign ministers meet in Brussels, Secretary General Mark Rutte is on a diplomatic mission to preserve the alliance's unity. Former NATO Deputy Secretary General Rose Gottemoeller explains why he’s the man to both woo Donald Trump and get Europe to do more.


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