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The Debrief with Jon Becker

Lessons Learned As A SEAL Officer and As The Asst Secretary of Defense – Michael Lumpkin

Nov 8, 2023
Michael Lumpkin, a Navy SEAL Captain and former Assistant Secretary of Defense, discusses his unique perspective on leadership, training, and accountability in organizations. Topics include the importance of maintaining high standards in training, the role of civilian oversight in the military, and lessons learned from the tragic shootdown of a helicopter. Lumpkin also shares insights on teamwork during military operations and the challenges of transitioning from the military to the private sector.
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Quick takeaways

  • Importance of maintaining standards and aligning accountability, responsibility, and authority in organizations with rapid growth.
  • Understanding the tactical and policy-making aspects of organizations and anticipating consequences in leadership roles.

Deep dives

Diverse career and unique perspective on leadership

Michael Lumkin has an extensive background, including being a Navy SEAL Captain, Assistant Secretary of Defense, and Chief of Staff at US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. His broad level of knowledge at tactical, operational, and strategic levels of national power gives him a unique perspective on leadership, selection, and standards. He emphasizes the importance of remaining objective about weaknesses and continually improving. He also highlights the need for organizations to have a strong culture and the value of aligning accountability, responsibility, and authority within the organization.

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