Here’s the first instalment of some podcasts I’m working on with my friend Peyton Bowman. In previous discussions, we spent a fair bit of time exploring the way, by being so different to our own, the ancient world gives us insights into our current state. Anyway, we have gone one better, inviting classics scholar of note Josiah Ober to discuss aspects of his latest book with us. In previous discussions with him, it struck me that some of the ideas he’d been working on regarding the Greeks offered a simple typology with which we can understand the modern concept of enlightened self-interest. If you’re wondering what I’m talking about, I guess you’d better check out the chat. It’s only 20 minutes and we’re planning to follow up with more. The video is at this link.