AI Criticism Has a Decades-Long History w/ Ben Tarnoff
Aug 24, 2023
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Joseph Weisenbaum developed a critical perspective on AI, emphasizing the importance of recognizing the difference between humans and computers.
The Eliza effect highlights our tendency to attribute human qualities to software and the power of illusion in human-computer interaction.
Weisenbaum believed that computers perpetuate existing social and power hierarchies, restricting decision spaces and encouraging an instrumental reasoning mindset.
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Joseph Weisenbaum's Critical Stance on AI
Joseph Weisenbaum developed a critical stance on technology and artificial intelligence after creating the Eliza chatbot. He became skeptical of AI as an ideological project and believed it had a sinister social and political dimension. Weisenbaum's work and critiques are still relevant today, as he emphasizes the importance of recognizing the difference between humans and computers. He argues that computers lack human history, values, and experiences, and therefore cannot perform certain tasks that require judgment and access to human values. Weisenbaum's work challenges the narrative of AI as a universal solution and highlights the need for clear distinctions between the capabilities and limitations of humans and computers.
The Eliza Effect and Human-Computer Interaction
Weisenbaum's Eliza chatbot generated interest and popularity due to the Eliza effect, where people imputed empathy, understanding, and a human-like presence to the program. The Eliza effect highlights our tendency to attribute human qualities to software and the power of illusion in human-computer interaction. Weisenbaum recognized the potential of chatbots to contribute to more enriched forms of interaction, but also saw the danger of attributing judgment to computers, as they lack human values and experiences. The Eliza effect continues to be relevant, as we see parallels in current interactions with AI chatbots and the perception of AI's understanding and intelligence capabilities.
Weisenbaum's View on AI as a Counter-Revolution
Weisenbaum believed that the computer revolution was fundamentally conservative and served to reinforce existing social and power hierarchies. He emphasized that computers provided a means to automatize decision-making, restricting decision spaces and perpetuating existing logics. Weisenbaum's critique focused on the constricting effect of computer technology on human understanding and human reason. He argued that computers encouraged an instrumental reasoning mindset, prioritizing efficiency and means over reflection on ends. Weisenbaum cautioned against allowing computers to perform tasks that require human judgment, as they lack access to human values and experiences, shaping his belief that certain tasks should not be given to computers.
Distinction Between Judgment and Calculation
Weisenbaum drew a distinction between judgment and calculation to highlight the limitations of computers. Calculation involves quantitative processes and technical rules, while judgment, a qualitative process, relies on human values that arise from human history and experiences. Weisenbaum argued that judgment cannot be reduced to calculation, as it requires the complexity of human decision-making and values. He used examples, such as psychotherapy and judging, to illustrate that certain tasks should be left to humans, as computers lack the foundation of human values necessary for effective decision-making.
Implications for the AI Hype and Silicon Valley's Worldview
Weisenbaum's work challenges the AI hype and Silicon Valley's worldview that advocates for computers to perform increasingly complex tasks. His emphasis on the distinction between humans and computers calls for caution and recognizes the limitations of computers in accessing human experiences and values. As AI technologies advance, Weisenbaum's insights remain relevant in questioning the ideologies behind AI and the potentially harmful consequences of giving computers unchecked power and decision-making capabilities. Weisenbaum's work serves as a reminder to critically examine the role of AI and to understand its capabilities and limitations in relation to human judgment and values.
Paris Marx is joined by Ben Tarnoff to discuss the ELIZA chatbot created by Joseph Weizenbaum in the 1960s and how it led him to develop a critical perspective on AI and computing that deserves more attention during this wave of AI hype.
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