Deep Cover Presents: Snowball Shame, Scams, and The Stories We Tell Ourselves (with Ollie Wards)
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Dec 22, 2025 In this episode, Ollie Wards, a journalist and creator of the Snowball series, shares his compelling journey investigating a family con. He recounts the thrill of uncovering family secrets and confronting the con artist, Lezlie Manukian. Topics include the psychological impacts of shame on victims, the ethical dilemmas of reporting intimate family stories, and the quest for justice amidst messy truths. Ollie's reflections reveal the complexities of healing and the bittersweet nature of closure while navigating emotional family dynamics.
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Recording Under A Duvet Sparked The Project
- Ollie recorded his father in a hotel under a duvet and discovered the family’s lost-home story by accident.
- That single conversation became the catalyst for the Snowball investigation and series.
Follow The Questions Relentlessly
- If questions keep opening new doors, follow them — persistent curiosity signals a strong story.
- Ollie used a year off and international research to chase leads and build the investigation.
Brother Agreed To Help Despite Pain
- Ollie negotiated involvement with his brother Greg and found Greg wanted to "pay it forward" by helping others.
- Greg agreed to participate despite discomfort because telling the story could help future victims.