Songwriter and performer, Ben Lee (Cigarettes Will Kill You, Catch My Disease, We're All In This Together) is as generous and fascinating as ever in this chat with Charlie Clausen. He shares his take on embracing failure, why he wants to support the next generation of artists, and how metal nerds shaped his outlook. Also — some of the nitty gritty around making money as an artist in 2024.

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TOFOP with Ben Lee: "Culture Can't Be Wrong"