In this conversation, Ankit Jain speaks with Kaelig about the intricacies of developer experience (DevEx) and design systems, comparing the dynamics in large organizations like Shopify to smaller ones like Netlify. They explore the definition and ownership of design systems, the importance of measuring maturity, and the common pitfalls teams face when building these systems. Kaelig shares insights on how to convince leadership of the value of design systems and discusses the future of developer experience, particularly with the rise of AI tools.
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