Ricky Sandler - Evolution of Long-Short Equity Investing (EP.414)
Oct 28, 2024
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Ricky Sandler, CEO and CIO at Eminence Capital, is a pioneer in long-short equity investing, managing over $7 billion. He shares insights from his three-decade journey in finance, discussing the evolution of long-short strategies and the critical adaptations necessary in changing markets. Sandler emphasizes the importance of a collaborative culture and the challenges of short selling in today's volatile environment. He also touches on valuable lessons from sports, highlighting personal growth and the significance of well-being in both life and investing.
Ricky Sandler's journey from launching a hedge fund in his twenties to becoming CEO of Eminence Capital illustrates the evolution of long-short equity investing.
Eminence Capital's organizational culture and adaptability are crucial for thriving amidst market changes and addressing the complexities of investment strategies.
Sandler highlights the need for rigorous risk management and diversification in short selling due to increased stock volatility and unpredictable market behavior.
Deep dives
10 East and Investment Opportunities
The discussion highlights the services of 10 East, an investment platform offering sophisticated investors access to private markets. This platform provides the advantages of having a family office without the associated costs, allowing members to co-invest alongside seasoned professionals like Michael LaFell. Members benefit from exposure to diverse investment opportunities, including private credit, real estate, and niche ventures, which are usually inaccessible via traditional investing channels. With over a decade of experience in this space and a strong track record across numerous transactions, the team emphasizes thorough research and continuous monitoring post-investment.
Ricky Sandler's Investment Journey
Ricky Sandler's long career in investment began with a hedge fund he launched in his 20s, evolving into the CEO and CIO of Eminence Capital with $7 billion in assets. The conversation delves into the evolution of long-short equity investing over the decades, marking crucial phases in Sandler's career. He emphasizes the importance of a strong organizational culture and adaptability in investment strategies, which have allowed Eminence to thrive amidst market fluctuations. Sandler's long-term vision focuses on building a solid foundation for investors and adapting to changing investment climates while maintaining a consistent approach.
Challenges of Co-Equal Partnerships
Sandler shares insights into the complexities of co-equal partnerships, stressing the inherent difficulties when strong personalities collide in investment management. His relationship with partner Wayne Cooperman taught him that disagreements over strategies and positions can lead to significant challenges. Sandler reflects that such partnerships can struggle when differing visions impede collective decision-making, leading to potential rifts. His own experiences prompted him to seek a different structure for Eminence, emphasizing a more harmonious balance that allows for individual perspectives while fostering collaboration.
Evolution of Investment Strategies
The conversation addresses how investment strategies have had to shift due to changing market dynamics, particularly since the global financial crisis. Sandler notes that while the traditional long-short investing framework initially offered success, the emergence of new market structures required a reevaluation of tactics. He highlights changes in investor behavior, especially with the rise of passive investment strategies and the impact of technology on trading patterns. The combination of adapting qualitative insights with quantitative data has helped the firm remain relevant and effective in today's volatile market.
Navigating Market Volatility
Sandler discusses the increased volatility in individual stocks and its implications for short selling, which has become riskier with the rise of meme stocks and retail trading dynamics. He emphasizes the need for a diverse and balanced portfolio of short positions to mitigate potential losses linked to unpredictable market behavior. By implementing strict risk management strategies, such as pre-mortem assessments of position sizes, the firm has adapted to navigate these challenges effectively. These strategic adjustments have reinforced Eminence's resilience amidst a rapidly evolving investment landscape, ensuring robust responses to market shifts.
Ricky Sandler is one of the OGs of fundamental long-short equity investing. Ricky started managing a hedge fund thirty years ago and founded Eminence Capital a few years later. Today, he is the CEO and CIO at Eminence, where he oversees $7 billion across long-short, long-only, and long-extension strategies.
Our conversation covers Ricky’s path to launching Eminence in his twenties and the evolution of long-short investing in the decades since. We dive into Eminence's culture, adaptation in the investment process, and creation of investment products to meet the needs of allocators, each of which has been an essential part of the firm’s ability to survive and thrive amid changing market dynamics.