Ep 87: Dr. Cliff Winston — Deregulate Lawyers, Deregulate Airlines, and Let Markets Correct Themselves
May 2, 2024
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Dr. Cliff Winston, a microeconomist, discusses the flaws of economic theories, government programs, and the benefits of market corrections. He emphasizes the need for government retrospectives and experiments. The conversation covers topics like airline deregulation, deregulating the legal profession, and the benefits of market self-correction. Overall, the podcast explores the balance between government intervention and market corrections for effective policy implementation.
Government interventions lack scholarly evidence of superiority over market corrections, highlighting the need for government retrospectives and experiments to determine effectiveness.
Deregulating professions like law can increase market competition and service access, addressing monopolistic tendencies and fostering innovation.
Deep dives
Challenges in Recognizing Market Corrections
Economists traditionally focus on market failures over government failures due to historical emphasis on theories of market failure and a lack of attention to government failures. This bias results in less scrutiny towards government interventions and their potential negative impacts.
Government Ineffectiveness in Addressing Poverty
Government programs tackling poverty often show mixed results. While they contribute to poverty reduction, they come at a significant cost, lacking efficiency in achieving desired outcomes. The lack of focus on cost minimization and effectiveness contrasts with the private sector's dynamic approach to problem-solving.
Occupational Licensing Dilemma
Occupational licensing serves as an entry barrier, limiting competition and elevating prices. Advocating for deregulation in professions like law could fuel market competition and improve service access without compromising quality. The legal profession's monopolistic tendencies hinder innovation and access to services.
Potential of Autonomous Vehicles
The adoption of autonomous vehicles has the potential for significant societal benefits, notably in enhancing safety, reducing congestion, and improving environmental sustainability. Despite the promising impacts, federal government support for nationwide autonomous vehicle standards and regulation remains limited, hindering broader implementation.
Are government programs and interventions superior to market corrections? According to Dr. Cliff Winston, the evidence to support such a claim doesn’t exist. Many economists obsess over market failures but seldom point the microscope in the direction of government, despite its many failures. And worse, the bureaucracy doesn't hold itself accountable.
This week, we examine some of the flaws of modern economic theories with Dr. Winston, a microeconomist and Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, with a B.A. and Ph.D. in economics from UC Berkeley, and Masters from the London School of Economics. He is the author of numerous books and papers, including, most recently, “Indispensable: Market corrections in a U.S. economy beset by government failures.”
From antitrust to welfare programs and tax incentives, most Americans assume government interventions are preferable to allowing the market to correct itself, but as Cliff explains, we don't have scholarly evidence to back that up. He explains why we need government retrospectives and more widespread experiments to test what does or doesn't work. When has government been effective? Ironically, Cliff says, when it gets out of the way: deregulation. We talk about the benefits of airline deregulation, for example, and Cliff makes the case for deregulating the legal profession and other areas that require occupational licensure. Finally, we discuss scenarios where government involvement could be beneficial, such as setting adoption standards for autonomous vehicles.
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