I remember the days when Joshua Smith and I decided we should build our own MSP. It was simpler times and Cybersecurity was defined largely by firewalls and antivirus. Today starting an MSP or even being a small MSP trying to get arms around cybersecurity is a daunting task. I discuss with Dor Eisner to talk about why he decided to build Guardz. Why the desire to focus on a solution for the smaller MSP and his overall look at the threat landscape. Together we can we can make it more difficult for the threat actors.