If you're a 21st Century parent you likely know what KIDZ BOP is! My close pal of 30 years Cliff Chenfeld co-founded this wildly popular and successful music franchise, and he joined me in THE BACK ROOM for a fun, intimate chat about his illustrious career and the ever-changing music business.

Cliff's an NYU law school graduate, music entrepreneur, writer, radio host, and film producer. He co-founded and was co-CEO of Razor & Tie, an independent music company that included a label, a music publishing company and the top kids’ audio brand Kidz Bop. He’s also been a partner in several music festivals including WonderBus and WonderWorks, and has executive produced of a number of films including Joan Baez: How Sweet The Sound, Serious Moonlight and Concussion. He is the host of the NPR radio show Modern Sounds and writes a monthly Substack column on new music. He serves on several non-profit boards and is active in Democratic politics

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