The Brian Lehrer Show The Democrats' Shutdown Debate
Sep 12, 2025
Join Zack Beauchamp, Senior Correspondent at Vox and author of 'The Reactionary Spirit', as he dives into the heated debate among Democrats about a potential government shutdown. He highlights the challenges of balancing party strategy with the stark realities of authoritarianism. Topics include the urgency of preserving democratic integrity, the consequences of shutdowns on everyday Americans, and the necessity for a positive Democratic agenda that addresses vital issues like healthcare. Beauchamp also suggests that organized political action could reshape activism in today's climate.
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Team Normal Versus Team Abnormal
- Zach Beauchamp frames Democratic debate as "team normal" vs "team abnormal" about resisting Trump's power grab.
- The choice is whether to use traditional politics or adapt extreme tactics because the presidency is unusually authoritarian.
Delay Equals Victory For Backsliders
- Beauchamp argues delay equals victory in democratic backsliding: the next election is the deadline.
- He contends Democrats may need to accept escalatory tactics to prevent Trump from stacking the deck.
Use Escalatory Tactics Sparingly
- Consider counter-gerrymandering only under exceptional, abnormal threats to fair elections.
- Use otherwise undesirable tactics sparingly and as defensive measures against systemic rigging.
