Mary welcomes back Bible teacher Chris Quintana to get a grip on the times. When people say, “get a grip”, what do they mean? Getting a grip on reality in 2025 includes really pausing to see things for what they are. The waves of the sea tossing, with a side of perplexity suggests that God is backing the world into a corner and they are not seeing a way out. What does this look like then? We talk about the chaos that leads to global change, in a number of categories. When Dickens had his beloved Scrooge say, “I’ll retire to bedlam”, what did that mean? Back in the 13th century, there was a hospital in London for the insane called Bethlehem Hospital, shortened to “Bedlam”. When Scrooge was talking to Bob Cratchit about Christmas and the “insanity” of celebrating anything, being merry, when he didn’t have two shillings to rub together – that was “insanity”. Scrooge further implied that if he were to do that, find himself happy outside of his wealth, he would willingly have himself committed – “retire to Bedlam”. This showed his priorities over everything, including people. The craziness in this world, it is not going anywhere. We talk about the technocrats, rich tech engineers who do see the chaos in the world’s systems, and believe that the order that tech brings, and control over everything and everyone, will bring order. We look at various other crises and the answers the world gives to the chaos. A fascinating hour with an articulate man.

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Chris Quintana: Retiring to Bedlam – Distress of Nations with Perplexity