Chris McGreal, a seasoned reporter for The Guardian, and Johnny Steinberg, an acclaimed South African author, dive into the heated debate surrounding land expropriation in South Africa. They discuss the ongoing legacy of apartheid and contrasting narratives about white South Africans facing discrimination. The duo analyzes the political implications of President Trump's controversial offer to resettle Afrikaners in the U.S., shedding light on the complex socio-political dynamics and the reality of violence against farmers in the region.
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Trump's Interest in South Africa
Donald Trump became interested in South Africa after a 2018 Fox News segment.
The segment, featuring AfriForum, portrayed white South Africans as victims of discrimination.
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South African Influence
Trump's close relationship with Elon Musk, a white South African, likely influenced his stance.
Other influential figures with South African ties include Peter Thiel and David Sachs.
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Musk's Upbringing
Elon Musk grew up during apartheid, a period of intense racial segregation and unrest in South Africa.
Musk witnessed protests, violence, and the rise of Afrikaner resistance movements.
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In the spring of 1999, a young white farmer is shot dead in the KwaZulu-Natal midlands. Journalist Jonny Steinberg investigates this murder, uncovering a complex web of racial tensions, historical betrayals, and ongoing conflicts over land ownership. The book delves into the festering frontier battle between black and white communities, illuminating the early days of post-apartheid South Africa and the deep-seated issues that continue to plague the country. Steinberg's work is a tour de force of investigative journalism, sifting through the poisoned memories and conflicting narratives to provide a nuanced understanding of the region's troubled history and present.
Winnie and Nelson
Portrait of a Marriage
Jonny Steinberg
This book is a detailed and empathetic portrait of the complex marriage between Winnie and Nelson Mandela. It delves into their shared and divisive approaches to transforming South Africa’s unjust political system, as well as the personal struggles, love, and obsessions that characterized their relationship. Steinberg’s work is based on extensive research, including archives, interviews, and previously unseen transcripts of conversations between Winnie and Nelson during prison visits. The book provides an insightful history of the fight against apartheid and the emotional strains within the Mandela marriage under enormous political pressure.
President Trump is offering to resettle white South Africans in the US, and his white South African bestie may have something to do with it.
This episode was produced by Avishay Artsy and Travis Larchuk, edited by Miranda Kennedy and Jolie Myers, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Patrick Boyd and Andrea Kristinsdottir, and hosted by Noel King.