Did gender influencers doom Gen Z? (With Rebecca Jennings & Luke Winkie)
Dec 11, 2024
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Rebecca Jennings, a senior correspondent at Vox, and Luke Winkie, a staff writer for Slate, dive into the complexities of gender dynamics in the Gen Z era. They discuss how influencers are reshaping perceptions of masculinity and femininity, alongside the darker aspects of internet fame and misogyny. The conversation also touches on the bizarre links between gambling culture and dating, the effects of dating apps on young people, and the implications of controversial figures like Andrew Tate. Their insights shed light on the evolving landscape of online culture and its real-world impacts.
The evolution of online platforms has significantly influenced gender dynamics, leading to distinct and often adversarial online communities labeled as 'boy' and 'girl' internets.
Incidents like the Elliot Rodger attack in 2014 exemplify how radical ideologies can emerge from online cultures, showcasing real-world implications of these communities.
Despite advancements in gender discourse, traditional roles are seeing a resurgence due to societal pressures, manifesting in renewed misogyny and anti-feminist sentiments.
Deep dives
The Origins of Cultural Critique
The hosts introduce their cultural backgrounds, highlighting how they both came to write about society in distinct but related ways. They recount how they ventured into journalism, with one starting as a music blogger and the other writing about local fashion and TikTok at its emergence. These early experiences reflect broader trends in media and the shift from traditional blogging to focusing on emerging platforms like TikTok. This transition marks the beginning of their exploration into how online cultures shape behaviors and ideologies surrounding gender.
The Rise of Gendered Online Cultures
The discussion shifts to the advent of blogging platforms in the mid-2000s, specifically how sites like PopSugar and cultural shifts contributed to the formation of gendered online cultures. The guests note that early female-focused media like PopSugar mirrored traditional women's magazine content while also sparking feminist critiques. This period saw the rise of figures like Tucker Max, whose writings encapsulated a type of toxic masculinity, which in turn began to influence how young boys perceived their interactions with girls. Such dynamics contributed to increasingly distinct and sometimes adversarial online communities defined along gender lines.
Impact of the 2014 Online Movement
The conversation identifies 2014 as a pivotal year when the dialogue around young men's online behaviors started darkening significantly due to incidents like the Elliot Rodger attack. This event marked the escalation of radical ideologies, showcasing how collective experiences within online communities could incite real-world violence. The hosts compare this era to earlier instances of campy humor and irony that characterized the internet, highlighting a transition toward a more serious and insidious dynamic. It emphasizes a cultural shift where the 'boy internet' became increasingly dogmatic and radicalized against perceived enemies, particularly women.
The Evolution of Influencer Culture
As influencer culture emerged, the hosts discuss how individuals on platforms like Instagram and YouTube began to shape societal expectations surrounding gender roles. They note how this shift led to the commodification of personal identity, where traditionally feminine and masculine traits became marketed to specific audiences. Young women increasingly felt pressure to optimize their appearance and lifestyles through influencers who epitomized perfection, while men followed figures that encouraged self-improvement through strict and often toxic standards. This mutual reinforcement of unrealistic ideals underscores the complex interplay between self-optimization and societal expectations across genders.
Current Trends and The Future of Gender Discourse
Bringing the discussion to a contemporary context, the guests analyze the ongoing tension between traditional gender roles and emerging progressive ideologies. They note that despite advancements in gender discourse, there's a resurgence of 'trad' culture fueled by economic anxieties and societal pressures. This environment fosters a backlash that often manifests in the form of renewed misogyny and anti-feminism, seen in movements questioning women's liberation. The conversation concludes with reflections on where social media might take these gender discussions next, suggesting that while backlash is inevitable, the inherent drive for genuine human connection will ultimately prevail.
Despite society’s progress on gender norms, there is a historic divide on the "boy-girl internet," which recently has started to reemerge — the charge being led by Gen Z influencers. This week, writers Rebecca Jennings and Luke Winkie join us to answer the question: Are the kids all right?
Our guests are Rebecca Jennings, a senior correspondent at Vox who also runs the Rebeccacore newsletter, and Luke Winkie, a staff writer for Slate who also runs the On Posting newsletter. You can follow their engaging posts (and engagement) at @rebexxxxa and @luke_winkie.
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