The Red Letter Disciple 027: Pastors Walter Hooker and Andy Kaup on Navigating Racial Diversity, Co-Leading the Same Church, How to Make Friends, and Sharing Kidneys
Pastors Andy and Walter have a 30-year age gap. Andy is white, and Walt is black. Both men were up for the senior pastor position at their church. When Andy got it, it brought division into their church. During this time, Andy was found to be a perfect kidney match for Walter and gave him his kidney. Would that be enough to keep their church together? To learn more about the podcast or access the show notes, visit www.redletterpodcast.com.
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Key insights from the episode:
Shut up and listen. -Walter Hooker
77% of white people don’t have black friends, and 65% of black people don’t have white friends.
- Walter Hooker
Be intentional. - Walter Hooker
My world is not the whole world. - Andy Kaup
You will become genuinely curious about other people when you accept that what you know isn’t all there is. - Andy Kaup
Curiosity drives friendships deeper. - Andy Kaup
Sharing a table with somebody is opening up your life to them. - Andy Kaup
Once you get the go from God, all the fears, doubts, and anxieties change. - Walter Hooker
God is faithful and unchanging. You can trust him. - Walter Hooker
Andy’s Kaup Challenge: Surrender something.
Walter Hooker’s Challenge: Ask yourself, “Why not me?”
As Andy and Walter were talking in the interview, it showed me the power of God’s freedom that comes through forgiveness.
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