230. Infinite Ways to God - A Conversation with David Butler
Aug 24, 2024
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David Butler, known for his engaging scripture podcast, shares profound insights into understanding the nature of God. He introduces the concept of 'cross vision,' advocating for interpreting challenging scriptures through the lens of Jesus' love. Personal experiences shape his faith journey, revealing the complexities of reconciling difficult biblical narratives. David discusses the metaphor of a tricycle to harmonize scripture, tradition, and personal experience. He also explores 'holy envy' for diverse faith expressions, emphasizing the richness of spirituality across traditions.
David Butler introduces 'cross vision' as a method for interpreting scripture through the lens of Jesus’ self-sacrificial love, helping believers navigate challenging narratives.
The concept of 'Holy Envy' encourages appreciating the wisdom of diverse religious traditions, enriching one's understanding of God and spirituality.
Deep dives
Talking to Children About Sex
The discussion highlights the importance of openly addressing the topic of sex with children, emphasizing the need for parents to communicate effectively about this sensitive subject. This initiative stems from the speaker's personal passion and professional background within the LDS community, where such discussions may often be challenging. By engaging in these conversations, parents can foster healthy attitudes towards sexuality in their children, promoting understanding and respect. The upcoming event aims to equip parents with the tools necessary to navigate these discussions with confidence and care.
Understanding the Nature of God
A central theme explored is the nature of God, particularly through the lens of love and self-sacrifice demonstrated by Jesus on the cross. The concept of 'cross-vision' is introduced, suggesting that this perspective can help believers interpret difficult scripture narratives while maintaining a focus on God's character as loving and compassionate. By placing Jesus at the forefront of one's understanding, individuals can engage with unsettling biblical stories without compromising their faith. This approach encourages a deeper questioning of scriptural interpretations that might seem contradictory to the idea of a loving deity.
The Role of Personal Experience in Faith
Personal experiences play a significant role in shaping one's understanding of God and faith, as illustrated through various anecdotes and reflections shared by the speakers. The emphasis is placed on how experiences can enrich scriptural interpretation, drawing parallels between scriptural narratives and individual spiritual journeys. This reciprocal relationship allows believers to connect more personally with divine teachings and recognize God's presence in their lives. Additionally, real-life applications of scriptural principles serve as affirmations of God's love and guidance, making faith more relatable and tangible.
Holy Envy and Learning from Other Traditions
The concept of 'Holy Envy' emerges as a framework for appreciating the wisdom found in different religious traditions without feeling threatened in one's own beliefs. This idea encourages individuals to explore and embrace the beauty in diverse ways of encountering the divine, thus expanding their understanding of God. By recognizing common threads such as love and compassion across various faiths, believers can cultivate a more expansive view of spirituality. Engaging with other traditions can illuminate new dimensions of faith, ultimately enriching one's personal relationship with God.
This week, we’re thrilled to be joined by our friend, David Butler. You may know David from his incredible podcast, Don’t Miss This, where he and Grace Freeman dive deeply into the scriptures with an infectious joy and thoughtful insights. We’re so excited to have David here in the studio, and even more excited that he’ll be joining us at Restore in just a few weeks.
In this conversation, David helps us explore one of the biggest faith questions: what is the nature of God? So many of us have experienced moments of discomfort or confusion when encountering challenging or unsettling stories in scripture. David introduces us to what he calls "cross vision"—a way of reading scripture that filters everything through the lens of Jesus on the cross, which David sees as the ultimate expression of God's love and character. He uses this as a guiding principle, his "measuring stick," to interpret difficult or troubling passages. When a story seems to contradict the image of a loving, self-sacrificing God, David explains, with heartfelt vulnerability, how and why he feels empowered to question and wrestle with those narratives.
He also opens up about the experiences that have shaped his faith and the ways that engaging with other religious traditions has opened his eyes to new dimensions of God’s love and presence in the world. (By the way, David has a super fascinating course available on don'tmissthisstudy.com called Holy Envy that I highly recommend if this topic interests you!)
Whether you're wrestling with tough questions about faith or looking for new ways to see God in our holy books, we think this episode will give you some powerful insights. If you want to see David Butler live this year at Restore, go to faithmatters.org/Restore for tickets. And with that, we'll jump right in.
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