The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

Progress, Despite Everything

Aug 4, 2019
In this engaging discussion, Steven Pinker, a renowned cognitive psychologist and linguist from Harvard, joins Jordan B. Peterson to explore the paradox of human progress. They dissect how journalistic narratives often overlook significant advancements in living standards and environmental conditions. Discussing the interplay of capitalism and inequality, Pinker emphasizes the importance of data-driven optimism and effective policies. The conversation also touches on redefining national identity, the shift to universal human rights, and the complexities of public discourse, advocating for a more balanced perspective on societal development.
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Progress as a Controversial Idea

  • Steven Pinker discusses the surprising controversy around the idea of progress.
  • He notes that data contradicts the negativity prevalent in journalism and certain ideologies.
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Positive Global Trends

  • Jordan Peterson and Steven Pinker highlight positive global trends, including ecological improvements and reduced poverty.
  • They cite data like increased forest cover and declining child mortality rates in Africa.
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Progress: Not Inevitable

  • Human progress is achievable but not automatic; the universe doesn't ensure it.
  • Forces like entropy and pathogens constantly challenge human well-being.
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