In this episode, therapist and cultural anthropologist Zara Zimbardo is joined by narrative strategist and climate activist Patrick Reinsborough for a conversation exploring how we think about “the end” and what apocalyptic narratives can tell us about new beginnings and collective actions. This episode was recorded during a live online event on May 13, 2020. Stay tuned for a continuation of this conversation with Zara and Patrick right here in a couple of weeks!