On this episode, Marc talks to Ben Apatoff, author of "Body Count," published on September 7th, 2023. It’s a thorough study of the 1992 self-titled album by Body Count, a band most famous for having Ice-T as their frontman and for a song called “Cop Killer” that stirred up so much controversy even the President had something to say about it. But there’s so much more to the Body Count story, and Ben tells it so well.

As Ben writes, “Body Count outlasted the politicians that scorned them and the record stores that banned them…(they’re) still confronting racism, police misconduct, mass incarceration, and political corruption, outliving their old adversaries and striking out at new ones.”

We hope you enjoy Marc's conversation with Ben Apatoff!