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The podcast episode discusses the ethical implications and potential of creating post-biotic conscious systems. The guest, Thomas Metzinger, explores the possibility of generating a minimal model of consciousness, emphasizing that conscious experience can exist without time representation, self-location, or embodiment. Metzinger highlights the importance of a fresh scientific start in understanding consciousness and its potential connection to artificial intelligence. The conversation also dives into the urgency of developing a mature ethics that can address questions surrounding future minds and experiences. Metzinger raises concerns about the potential for AI to create artificial suffering and the need for responsible exploration of the vastness of conscious experience. The episode concludes with a discussion on prioritizing ethical obligations and the potential for transitioning to post-biotic systems in the future.