John is joined by Kara Swisher—longtime chronicler of the Silicon Valley cinematic universe, host of two hit podcasts, and author of the bestselling Burn Book: A Tech Love Story—to discuss why 2025 will be the year of slap fights among bitchy tech billionaires competing for Donald Trump's affections. Swisher analyzes the relationships between Trump and Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and other infobarons; why the tech elite's eagerness to cash in on the “coin-op president” promises to turn Trump 2.0 into a pay-for-play free-for-all; and the future of BlueSky as Musk accelerates X’s transformation into a “Nazi porn bar.” She also speculates on Elon’s ultimate objective: not to conquer DC but to relocate to Mars—a goal that Kara and John both heartily endorse.

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