This week, I hopped under the covers with someone who rivals my devotion to bed: none other than wonderful, brilliant insomniac Owen Thiele. Owen and I talked about why our careers peaked in middle school, Facetune etiquette, and the Rules of Bed. He also got real about his adoption, his relationship with his boyfriend, and together we gave some great, and simultaneously terrible, advice.

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Executive Producers Jade Iovine + Catherine Law

Audio Engineer Brandon Dickert