The determinetruth Podcast Rev 8-9 The Seven Trumpets Part 1
In this episode, Rob and Vinnie look at the 7 Trumpets in Rev 8-9. Rob argues that the 7 Trumpets do not relay God's end-times wrath but that they set forth what happens to the creation when humanity is allowed to remain in power.
Rob identifies several keys in the text that indicate, contrary to what many have suggested, that Revelation 8-9 is not setting forth God's end times wrath, but what happens to the creation when humanity is allowed to remain in power.
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Rev 8-9: 7th Seal and the 7 Trumpets
8:1 the narrative resumes and the Seventh Seal is broken.
- 7th Trumpet 11:15-19: the statement in 11:18 “destroy those who destroy the Earth”
- There is a complex overlapping structure to the introduction to the 7 Trumpets that indicate that something is going on!
John is advancing a narrative:
- The clear literary progression that occurs in the accounts of the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls
- The 7th in each of the series of 7’s appears to bring us to the end: 7th Trumpet we read earlier is obviously the end; yet the 7 Bowls happen afterward
- Each of the 3 series of 7’s close with reference to the theophanic manifestations
Theophanic Manifestations
4:5
8:5 adds “earthquake”
11:19 adds “hail”
16:17-21
8:1 7th Seal
8:2 Intro 7 Trumpets
8:5 end of the 7th Seal
8:6 7 Trumpets
An angel with a censer in the middle of this (8:3-4)
The relationship between the Seals and Trumpets is seen in that both have a 4-3 pattern
Another link between the accounts of the Seven Seals and the Seven Trumpets is that John includes an interlude in the midst of each series.
- the interlude occurs after the account of the Sixth and before the Seventh item in each corresponding series.
They are also related in that they complement one another
- The 1st 4 Seals affected humanity: deception, war, famines—inflation; and death
- The 1ST 4 Trumpets directly affect the four divisions of creation—the earth, the sea, the rivers and springs (freshwater), and the sun, moon, and stars
Then how are they redeemed?
The scroll will reveal how the nations will be redeemed.