
The Ayn Rand Institute Podcast The Origin of Life, Agency & Purpose: Terrence Deacon’s Theory
Nov 11, 2025
Jim Lennox, Emeritus Professor of History and Philosophy of Science, joins to explore the intersection of science and philosophy through Deacon's Autogen Theory. They delve into the mystery of purpose in non-conscious organisms, arguing for a coherent form of goal-directedness. The discussion also touches on the emergence of life, redefining biological teleology, and the implications for free will. They highlight the need for philosophical clarity in scientific models while contemplating how autogens could represent the origins of life.
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Teleology Is Conceptually Valid
- Purpose-talk for organisms is meaningful and not merely metaphorical; it traces back to human conscious goals but extends to non-conscious life.
- Ben Bayer argues we don't need the origin-of-life story to justify non-conscious teleology as conceptually valid.
Life Is Self-Repair, Not Just Replication
- Sherman and Deacon identify living selves by self-protection and self-repair rather than mere replication.
- They argue reproduction is secondary: reproducing a self-repairing unit is what matters for life.
Autogen Thought Experiment
- Deacon imagines autocatalytic reactions producing protective lipid shells that contain and repeat the process.
- This autogen thought experiment models how self-protecting, self-repairing proto-life might arise by chance coupling of processes.




