Against the Rules with Michael Lewis Live Episode: Michael Lewis and Malcolm Gladwell
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May 21, 2019 
Malcolm Gladwell, a renowned author and journalist, joins his friend Michael for a lively discussion on podcasting. They dive into the nuances of refereeing, exploring how officiating shapes sports narratives. Gladwell highlights the challenges of authority in ‘rigged systems’ while discussing the evolution of officiating with the advent of technology. They also revel in the joy of ‘conversational delight’ and the art behind audio storytelling, emphasizing the emotional connection that voices can create. Expect humor, insights, and engaging banter throughout!
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Softball Game Spark
- Michael Lewis's interest in referees began with a girls' softball game.
- A coach's outburst and an umpire's dismissal sparked his curiosity about referee behavior and societal reactions.
Financial Crisis as Refereeing Problem
- The 2008 financial crisis can be viewed as a refereeing problem, particularly with credit rating agencies.
- These agencies, like Moody's and Standard & Poor's, failed due to conflicts of interest.
Referee Abuse
- The abuse of referees is a relatively new phenomenon, not an age-old issue.
- Michael Lewis highlights how technology and transparency have impacted this trend.