On The Line Dr. Joel Biermann & Rev. David Ramirez: Debate on Christian Nationalism
Aug 26, 2025
In this thought-provoking discussion, Dr. Joel Biermann, a systematic theology professor, and Rev. David Ramirez, a parish pastor and political-theology scholar, tackle the complexities of Christian nationalism. They explore the role of government as a God-given institution and the risks of imposing Christianity on society. The guests debate the church's public witness through liturgical actions and the responsibilities of Christians in maintaining moral order. They also examine lessons from history, immigration, and the balance between political action and the church's mission.
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Christian Community As A Vocational Goal
- Rev. David Ramirez argues Christians should want their civic communities to be Christian because God's word should predominate publicly as well as privately.
- He frames this desire as a vocational obligation and a necessary risk despite idolization dangers.
Government Is A God-Given Estate
- Joel Biermann affirms government as a good gift from God, not merely a necessary evil, but warns it's fallen and imperfect post-Fall.
- He emphasizes Christians' vocational duty to work for God's plan across estates while recognizing tension from human brokenness.
Prioritize Winsome Witness Over Spectacle
- Joel recommends prioritizing winsome, lived witness over theatrical public displays when engaging non-Christians.
- He warns that aggressive public religio-political spectacle can be counterproductive to evangelism.
