In our second crossover episode, I'm joined by Austin Suggs from Gospel Simplicity as we host an incredible conversation with Joe Heschmeyer and Dr. Gavin Ortlund on the papacy: The Pope.

Did Christ intend to establish a Church with the Pope at its head? What do we find in the Early Church Fathers? Did the first Christians believe in a Pope? Is it clear from the Bible? Tradition?

These questions, and many more, are tackled in this sprawling and deeply engaging conversation between two incredibly cordial, articulate, and intelligent Christian thinkers. Austin and I were absolutely blessed to be able to host this conversation.

You can watch this interview on Austin's wildly popular YouTube channel Gospel Simplicity.

For more from Joe visit his website Shameless Popery and check out The Catholic Podcast.

For more from Gavin visit his website and his YouTube channel Truth Unites.

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098: Is the Papacy True? (w/ Joe Heschmeyer, Dr. Gavin Ortlund, and Austin Suggs)